Join us for an interesting presentation on land ownership in Hawaii, probably something that realtors may have difficulty understanding or don't know about. And us, too! Oct. 27, 2017, 6:30 pm at the Kanaina Bldg. on the Palace grounds. Free parking on the grounds. Wheelchair accessible. Welcome to bring some food to share. Need more info? palolo@hawaii.rr.com. Yes, have phone camera, will livestream.

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Christine Meadows Sounds very interesting!

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Gregory Stajka will you be live streaming?

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September 26 at 1:41pm
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Jeannine Johnson Appreciate that he doesn't call it Great because it wasn't.

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Barbara Navas please post this. Mahalo nui loa.

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Scott Liloa Stevens Poire The " not so great " mahele

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September 26 at 2:07pm
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Susan Rosier Great or not so great the bottom line today is still all land transactions after 1898 are illegal .. Ask Donovan

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September 26 at 2:55pm
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Peter Kalawaia Moore Yes, excellent

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Deldrene Herron I hope he is prepared for questions on how allodial land titles alloted to the chiefs and konohiki by K III, KIV, KV, Lunalilo and Kalakaua under Patent Law and Common Laws ended up as "less than allodial". Also the Land Commissioners had no power to...See More

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September 26 at 5:13pmEdited
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Donovan Preza Aloha Deldrene. I am aware of the "less than allodial" and "Royal Patent Grants" argument. It is far too complicated to discuss over FB but I would be willing to discuss it at the presentation. My understanding of the "less than allodial" is probabl...See More

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September 26 at 8:15pm
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Ekolu Kalama Allodial means supreme lord, owing vassalage and fealty to no one. Kam III modeled the Mahele after the French and used Bouvier not Black's (English). I hope this brings clarity to the matter. You also cannot be sovereign and governed, they are opposing ends of the spectrum. Know who you are and act accordingly 🙏🏽

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September 27 at 7:37am
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Ekolu Kalama Donovan Preza the correct term is "Fee Simple less than Allodial" making "Allodial greater than Fee Simple"...simple yeah 🤔

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Ekolu Kalama They taught me the first night of real estate school that all lands in Hawaii are stolen, that's why everyone is required to have title insurance. That is why I never became a real estate agent.

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September 27 at 8:36am
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Tim Reis This would be a great question for the presentation.

Is there evidence (primary source documents) that Kamehameha III was using the French definition? ...See More


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Amelia Gora Donovan Preza suggest you take a good look at the INDICES of AWARDS (1929) because Bailey changes the ALODIO and FEE SIMPLE to ALODIO IN FEE SIMPLE ....point is that the move was to defraud kanaka maoli.......Read the 1851 Speech of Kamehameha III bec...See More



The online Kanaka Maoli community.
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Amelia Gora http://maoliworld.com/.../found-it-sanford-b-dole-began...

The online Kanaka Maoli community.
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Amelia Gora FOUND IT!!! Sanford B. Dole, et. als. Began the Indoctrination/Lies About Fee Simple Ownership Disregarding Alodio/Alodial Titles - Forever Lands from Kamehameha III
Posted by Amelia Gora on August 17, 2017 at 1:54am in Politics
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researched by Amelia Gora (2017)
This book was found with Lies, Indoctrination, FRAUDS About Fee Simple Titles which was published in 1896:
LAND TITLES.
During the period of 1846-1855 the ancient tenure of land was abolished, and the foundation laid of individual property in land. In the first place, the king as feudal suzerain divided the lands of the kingdom between himself and each one of the 75chiefs, his feudatories, this partition being recorded in a book called the Mahele Book, or Book of Division. After this first partition was closed, out of four million acres there remained in the king's hands about two and a half millions. The king then redivided the lands which had been surrendered to him, setting apart about a million and a half acres for the Government, and reserving for himself as his private domain, about a million acres, including the best of the lands. The common people were granted fee simple titles for their house lots and the lands which they actually cultivated for themselves, called Kuleanas or homesteads.
Reference: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/29383/29383-h/29383-h.htm...
also posted on maoliworld forums and the IOLANI - The Royal Hawk news on the web...




For seven years after the death of Captain Cook no foreign vessel ventured to touch at the Islands. After that time many of the vessels engaged in the fur trade on the northwest coast of America called at the Islands for supplies on their way to Canton or ran down here to spend the winter. Waimea, K...
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Jeffrey Kawika Patricio Tim Reis 1888 Supreme Court citation of Bouvierʻs Law Dictionary regarding "jurisdiction". http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/.../image_681x648_from.../



The Hawaiian gazette. (Honolulu [Oahu,…
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Jeffrey Kawika Patricio Tim Reis 1852 Henry Rhodes, Supreme Court Clerk notice that Bouvierʻs Law Dictionary is missing from the Law Library. http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/.../image_681x651_from.../



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Jeffrey Kawika Patricio Tim Reis So, if you run a search for "law dictionary" in Chronicling America, youʻll find Bouvier cited first, and most, followed by Burrill, with Blackʻs Law Dictionary getting no mention under the Kingdom.

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September 28 at 8:53am
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Jeffrey Kawika Patricio Tim Reis Also, Ekolu is actually incorrect in stating that Bouvierʻs law dictionary is French. Bouvier was born a kanaka maoli ko Farani, but his law career was in America, and his dictionary was targeting an American audience. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bouvier%27s_Law_Dictionary

Bouvier's Law Dictionary is a set consisting of two or three books with a long tradition in the United States legal community. The first edition was written by John Bouvier.
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Tim Reis Brief glance at Bouvier's preface, referenced in the Wikipedia article, just raises more questions.

"native tenant rights" relating to Allodial Titles?


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Jeffrey Kawika Patricio Tim Reis Well, we know the books were already missing in 1852, and the 4th edition of Bouvier was printed in 1852, so the copy they had on hand must have been a 1st - 3rd edition. For reference, and what is available online, I generally use the 6th ed...See More

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Jeffrey Kawika Patricio Tim Reis : "native tenant rights" relating to Allodial Titles, is where we really get into what is noted in the flyer above as "a unique system of property law found nowhere else in the world". The precedence is set by Hawaiian usage itself. You wonʻ...See More



Book digitized by Google from the library of…
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September 28 at 11:38am
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Jeffrey Kawika Patricio An index of all(or maybe not all, but lots of) the different revisions of compiled laws. http://law.hawaii.libguides.com/hawaiilawsonline

Where can you locate Hawaii Laws? This guide is an attempt to answer that question. Links to Kingdom era laws.
law.hawaii.libguides.com

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September 28 at 11:54amEdited
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Doreene Kealohanui Yes. Livestream, please. Mahalo Lynette.

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September 26 at 7:11pm
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Kaukaohu Wahilani We will be there!!! Mahalo Nui Anake Lynette Cruz me Donovan Preza!!! Aloha Titah Lori Halemano!!!

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September 26 at 11:22pm
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Lori Halemano Aloha palala! 🤙🏽

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September 26 at 11:43pm
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Keith Maile Congrats Donovan

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Emanuela Borgnino I hope you will livestream it!!!!

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Chandell Asuncion MAHALO NUI! I'm so happy to hear you will be livestreaming. I will be tuning in for sure.

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September 27 at 2:36pmEdited
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Damian McPherson That was my professor at uh Mānoa for Hawaiian Geography. Amazing guy

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September 27 at 7:25pm
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Luwella Leonardi Not going, Can't get pass the garbage, the good stuff and the land court ' usage'. Morning point, I'm a Geographer Only BA kine, specializing in cartography, remote sensing and GIS. It's great to get into the spin, but need to spin out and know the today stuff to validate the history. UH Manoa Geographers, screwed up and sold out to land usage. The Organic Act imprisons the 'ceded' lands and is NOW, privatizing, or setting enforcement (jurisdiction). I say cut the crap! Go for the more friendly, 'tenancy in common' realestates stuff to 'huli' the junk stuff. The Kuleana Act process is tough! Ohana feuding before, during and after! Once the property tax lowerer's to $300, instead of, $6,000, we can resolve ownership, but the EBT card ohana members are just jerks and those that are not family members somehow got their name on the list via a trust company, are just as shitty as hell. I'm DHHL, I don't own the land under me: and the 49ers, realtors, general leases, developers they all have a say on the aina my house is on over my needs. I live in Waianae Valley DHHL, and I used to own the air space over my head, but not anymore. Not going! Why? Because, I'm a neogeographer.

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Luwella Leonardi This is McAllister and my tutu man Edward Niaupio on the Koa. Makai pier is in place where this Kia once existed.

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Luwella Leonardi My tutu and Mc Allister close up in Waimanalo

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Amelia Gora Important to note that Kamehameha III did say that his Alodio was unlike any other.....Spain, England etc. they gave to their people Alodio and when a citizen/subject died, the land was taken back by the Sovereign......and Kamehameha III gave FOREVER lands to his subjects/kanaka maoli and once they died, their Alodio title became his children's/the heirs of the recipient, and so on so on.........as stated, consult with cousin Keoua for more info........our people have been defrauded over time.......know this...........btw our families have the evidence of Kamehameha III's information.......best to gear up with the facts otherwise it's going to be embarrassing for those who give out erroneous info.... because challenges will be forthcoming.......Kamehameha III had aloha for his own people.....giving everyone a heads up

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