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Reposted 2/18/2013 - Presidents Day fyi----the following letter is on the whitehouse website:

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also see NRC websites:

http://pbadupws.nrc.gov/docs/ML1024/ML102440023.pdf

http://pbadupws.nrc.gov/docs/ML0934/ML093421091.pdf

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sent the following/full letter to the Whitehouse - Obama certified, return receipt requested and am still waiting for the return green card:

http://theiolani.blogspot.com/2013/01/legal-notice-short-version-ja...


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TRUTH ABOUT THE U.S. Presidents SERIES


U.S. PRESIDENT
GEORGE WASHINGTON
DUAL ROLES/ DECEPTION OF CITIZENS


Review by Amelia Kuulei Gora, one of
Kamehameha's, Queen Liliuokalani's,
Kahekili of Maui, Kaumualii of Kauai,
John Young, Isaac Davis, Akahi, Nuuanu,
John Kapena, Mataio Kekuanaoa etals.
Descendant, a Royal person not subject
To the laws (2006)


This is the first of a series revealing U.S. Presidents who descended from England's Kings.

This series will also highlight those U.S. Presidents who have limitations on their citizen status due to the clause of Amendment XIV/14 in the U.S. Constitution.

Although George Washington was elected into office on April 30, 1789, there were eight (8) men who held the position before Washington.

One of the eight (8) was John Hanson, born in Charles County, Maryland in 1721.

Hanson was a "prominent leader in the growing discontent and agitation about British rule over the Thirteen Colonies."

Hanson had the "honor of being its first president" by being the head of the Continental Congress for eight years before George Washington.


First President -- 1st - George Washington (1789 -- 1797)

A. Family

"Through his paternal grandmother, Mildred Warner Washington, he descended from King Edward III (1312-1377) of England. His great-great grandfather the Reverend Lawrence Washington (c. 1602-1653) served as rector of All Saints, Purleigh Parish, Essex, England"His great-grandfather John Washington sailed to America in 1656, met Anne Pope" and had Augustine Washington who married Mary Ball who was under the guardianship of lawyer George Eskridge.

Washington's siblings were:
(1) Lawrence Washington, half brother
(2) Augustine "Austin" Washington
(3) Mrs. Betty Lewis
(4) Samuel Washington
(5) John Augustine "Jack" Washington

Washington's children: None.
Adopted his stepchildren:
(1) John Parke Custis -- grandaughter Mary Custis married Robert E. Lee (Confederate General)
(2) Martha Parke Custis

Notes and Comments:

Washington "descended from King Edward III (1312-1377) of England".

U.S. Issues:

U.S. President George Washington's genealogy shows that he was a descendant from KING EDWARD III (1312-1377) of England.

KING EDWARD III's three children were:

(1) Edward, the Black Prince;
(2) John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster; and,
(3) Edmund, Duke of York.

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Let us look at U.S. President George Washington's genealogies:


KING EDWARD III (1312-1377 / 1327-1377)
descendant was Reverend Lawrence Washington (1602-1653)
married Anne Pope and had Mildred Warner Washington.

Mildred Warner Washington had Augustine Washington (1694?-1743) who married (1) Jane Butler and (2) Mary Ball and had George Washington.
George Washington married Martha Dandrege Custis who maintained shares in the Bank of England.

Research remains incomplete as to which child of KING EDWARD III was the ancestor of U.S. President George Washington who had no children of his own.

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George Washington as a colonel had lost every fight assigned. He was recognized as a silent member, a farmer, and a wealthy farmer who had opposed the early patriots and backed the King of England stating that he "would fund an army at his expense in behalf of the King".

Notes and Comments:

George Washington was, therefore, a Royal person not subject to the laws due to his genealogies based on being a descendant of a Royal, a Sovereign of England.

To operate as a Royal, it makes sense to utilize his discretionary powers or "executive laws'; however, Royal status is a personal authority and not one that can be transferred to a position such as a President of a democracy government. A Royal person belongs to a Monarchy/Monarchical/ Monarchial/Constitutional Monarchy government, which is not the same as a democratic government with many people in place to maintain a "checks and balances' system of government.

All things of a Monarchy/Monarchical/Monarchial/Constitutional Monarchy cannot be applied to one based on Constitutional authorities made by non Royals or "The People for the People'.

George Washington, if he proclaimed such, was treasonous to the American people. Therefore, he too, breached the Law of Nations.

George Washington made a perpetual treaty with England/Great Britain, which appears to continue till today due to the ongoing affiliation of the two nations, or as a news reporter proclaimed that U.S. was a "colony of Crown (of England)'.

Additionally, George Washington, in maintaining his SLAVES, operated by example. He, therefore, validated human or SLAVES by maintaining more than 300 for his plantation.

The aged history books does not state that George Washington freed his SLAVES. The new history books appears to be changing the early history.

Research incomplete.

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B. Personal Wealth:
Married wealthy Martha Dandrige Custis who inherited a plantation with more than 17,000 acres. They owned and maintained more than 300 slaves. They maintained shares in the Bank of England.

The Washington's raised forty-one relatives who were his heirs at his .

Notes and Comments:

Issues of the Bank of England appeared in a number of the past IOLANI -- The Royal Hawk news on the web. All IOLANI -- The Royal Hawk files are posted at yahoogroups.com under hawaiian_genealogy_society-akg

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C. The President's highlight: Set the pattern for future presidents, described "so sparingly in the Constitution":

(1) In relying on department heads for advice, much as he had used his war council during the Revolution, he set the pattern for future presidents to consult regularly with their cabinet.
(2) "Because Congress did not challenge his appointments, largely out of respect for him personally rather than out of principle, the custom evolved that the chief executive generally has the right to choose his own cabinet. Congress, even when controlled by the opposition party, usually routinely confirms such presidential appointments."

Notes and Comments:

"Customs" are not the same as "laws".

Custom means "A usage or practice of the people, which, by common adoption and acquiescense, and by long and unvarying habit, has become compulsory, and has acquired the force of a law with respect to the place or subject-matter to which it relates. Adams v. Insurance Co., 95 pa. 355, 40 Am.Rep. 662; King v. Shelton, Tex.Civ.App., 252 S.W. 194, 195; Conahan v. Fisher, 233 Mass, 234, 124 N.E. 13, 15; Lawrence v. Portland Ry., Light & Power Co., 91 Or, 559, 179 P. 485, 486; U.S. Shipping Board Emergency Fleet Corporation v. Levensaler, 53 App.D.C. 322, 290 F, 297, 300."

Although "customs" also means "a long-continued habit that is so established that it has the force of law", to have the "force of law" is NOT the same as the "law".

The deceiving, manipulation, convoluting of words appear to be deliberately changed over time to accommodate those who move to validate themselves, their authorities without the agreement from the people.

Congress allowed the "custom" out of politeness, and not of "force of law" which was wrongfully interpreted or confused or maliciously deviating from a democratic form of government. Consent was assumed and NOT given. Congress appears to fail in their positions in refuting the "force of law".

Research incomplete.

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(3) Washington "set the two two-term standard that lasted until 1940."

D. Political Affiliation: Federalist

The Federalists said "that the new government would be too strong and would soon be as tyranical as that of England, from which they had just become free. The "president" would be another George III."

E. Religion: Episcopalian

F. Membership: Masonic order -- "large contingent" sent to his funeral.

G. Vice President: John Adams

H. Cabinet
Secretary of State: (1) Thomas Jefferson(Virginia)
(2) Edmund Jennings Randolph(Virginia)
(3) Timothy Pickering (Massachusetts)
Secretary of the Treasury: (1) Alexander Hamilton (New York)
(2) Oliver Wolcott (Connecticut)
Secretary of War: (1) Henry Knox (Massachusetts)
(2) Timothy Pickering (Massachusetts)
Attorney General: (1) Edmund Jennings Randolph (Virginia)
(3) William Bradford (Pennsylvania)

I. Supreme Court Justices:
(1) John Jay -- established court procedure.

In 1794, Washington instructed John Jay, "special minister to Great Britian: "It is the President's wish that the characteristics of an American minister should be marked on the one hand by firmness against improper compliances, and on the other hand by sincerity, candor, truth, and prudence, and by horror of finesse and chicane."



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(2) John Rutledge -
(3) William Cushing -- he alone continued to wear the British wig
(4) James Wilson -- signed the Declaration of Independence
(5) John Blair
(6) James Iredell -- helped form the basis of the 11th Amendment
(7) Thomas Johnson
(8) William Paterson -- helped draft the Judiciary Act of 1789 creating the federal court system
(9) Samuel Chase -- attacked President Jefferson towards impeachment; Chase was the only Supreme Court Justice to be impeached; he "established the of national treaties over state laws".
(10) Oliver Ellsworth -- "principal architect of the Judiciary Act of 1789, creating the federal court system." He also "spoke for the majority in extending federal authority to all inland rivers and lakes."


J. The State that they were/are from: Virginia (State: 1788)
Note: Washington was born in Westmoreland County, Virginia.

The State status (Union or Confederate): .

K. Slaves held/issues over slaves: Washington maintained more than 300 SLAVES. He instructed that the slaves be released after his wife's .

L. War costs

"The man to whom the credit for financing the war is chiefly due was Robert Morris of Philadelphia. He was of English birth, but had emigrated to this country and become a rich merchant. To him Washington turned in his dire need, and Morris did not fail. He used every device he could find, he worked without stint, and when everything else failed he was not ashamed to beg for his country by going, if need be, from door to door for contributions for the starving soldiers. In 1781 he was placed in control of the financial affairs of the United States government, as Superintendent of Finance."
The following are some of the Europeans who helped:

Pulaski and Kosciusko from Pland.
De Kalb, "a German by birth who had become a general in the French army".
Baron von Steuben, German, who served under Frederick the Great of Prussia.
Lafayette, Frenchman.

M. Loans status

"Congress borrowed whereever it could find a lender, but it got only $54,000,000 from this resource. The foreign loans came mainly from France."

"Between 1775 and 1779 over $241,000,000 of "Continental" paper money was printed. In addition to this, the states issued more than $200,000,000 of their own paper money. So much was issued that it finally came to be almost valueless. People said of a worthless thing, "It is not worth a continental," meaning it was not worth a piece of Continental paper money."

N. Legal Issues of the Confederate States

O. Legal Issues affecting the U.S. Presidents today

The Treaty of Peace, 1783. "In Paris, England and the United States agreed to the following:

1. The United States to be independent of Great Britain, and to be bounded on the north by Canada, o the west by the Mississippi River, and on the south by Florida.
2. The British army and fleet to leave the United States.
3. American fishermen to have the right to fish off the coasts of Canada and Newfoundland.

"In return for these valuable concessions the United States agreed to the following:

1. That Congress would ask the states to let the Loyalists return and regain their property.
2. That British vessels, as well as American vesselsl, should have the right to sail up and down the Mississippi River."


P. Issues affecting Hawaii (since 1852 -- when Hawaii's anti-Slavery law was passed) and the World today

George Washington was a Royal person deceiving the people, operating as a Monarch and from participating in a new Democratic government.

R. Other Important Information: See Letter of Thomas Paine to George Washington, Paris, dated July 30th, 1796 and Comments and Notes in Appendix.





APPENDIX for First President George Washington


KING EDWARD III Descendant -- FIRST PRESIDENT -- George Washington

List of Other Presidents descending from England's (etc.) Royal families
Union or Confederate State:
This is one of the 11 States which seceded from the U.S. in 1861 --
Virginia became known for the "First Battle of Bull Run- July 21, 1861


OVERVIEW OF United States Presidents

By Amelia Kuulei Gora, one of Kamehameha's,
Queen Liliuokalani's, Kahekili of Maui, Kaumualii of
Kauai, John Young, Isaac Davis, Akahi, John Kapena
Mataio Kekuanaoa's etals descendant, a Royal
Person, not subject to the laws (2006)


 
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Royal status - State - Union or
Confederate


1789-1797 George Washington Yes Virginia Confederate
1797-1801 John Adams ? Massachusetts Union
1801-1809 Thomas Jefferson Yes Virginia Confederate
1809-1817 James Madison ? Virginia Confederate
1817-1825 James Monroe ? Virginia Confederate
1825-1829 John Quincy Adams Yes Massachusetts Union
1829-1837 Andrew Jackson ? Tennessee Confederate
1837-1841 Martin Van Buren ? New York Union
1841 William Henry Harrison Yes Indiana Union
1841-1845 John Tyler ? Virginia Confederate
1845-1849 James K. Polk ? Tennessee Confederate
1849-1850 Zachary Taylor ? Virginia Confederate
1850-1853 Millard Fillmore ? New York Union
1853-1857 Franklin Pierce ? New Hampshire Union
1857-1861 James Buchanan ? Pennsylvania Union
1861-1865 Abraham Lincoln ? Illinois Union
1865-1869 Andrew Johnson ? *Tennessee Confederate
1869-1877 Ulysses S. Grant ? Ohio Union
1877-1881 Rutherford B. Hayes ? Ohio Union
1881 James A. Garfield ? Ohio Union
1881-1885 Chester Alan Arthur ? Vermont** Union
1885-1889 Grover Cleveland ? New York Union
1889-1893 Benjamin Harrison Yes Indiana Union
1893-1897 Grover Cleveland ? New York Union
1897-1901 William McKinley ? Ohio Union
1901-1909 Theodore Roosevelt ? New York Union
1909-1913 William Howard Taft ? Ohio Union
1913-1921 Woodrow Wilson ? New Jersey Union
1921-1923 Warren G. Harding ? Ohio Union
1923-1929 Calvin Coolidge ? Massachusetts Union
1929-1933 Herbert Hoover ? Iowa Union
1933-1945 Franklin D. Roosevelt ? New York Union
1945-1953 Harry S. Truman ? Missouri Union
1953-1961 Dwight D. Eisenhower ? Texas Confederate
1961-1963 John F. Kennedy ? Massachusetts Union
1963-1969 Lyndon Baines Johnson ? Texas Confederate
1969-1974 Richard M. Nixon Yes California Union
1974-1977 Gerald R. Ford ? Michigan Union
1977-1981 James Earl Carter, Jr. ? Georgia Confederate
1981-1989 Ronald Reagan ? California Union
1989-1993 George H. W. Bush ? Texas Confederate
1993-2001 William J. Clinton ? Arkansas Confederate
2001- George Bush ? Texas Confederate


SUBTOTALS:

U.S. Presidents from a UNION State: 28

U.S. Presidents from a CONFEDERATE State: 15

TOTAL U.S. Presidents: 43


U.S. Presidents Union/Confederate Status during Major Conflicts/Wars:

American Civil War:

President Abraham Lincoln -- Union -- Assassinated

Important Note: Abraham Lincoln's son Robert Todd Lincoln, "was present at Ford's Theater in Washington, D.C., on April 14, 1865, when his father was assassinated. He was also nearby on July 2, 1881, when President James Garfield was shot at the Baltimore and Potomac railroad station to Washington. And on September 6, 1901, he just happened to be a few feet away when President William McKinley was shot at the Pan-American Exposition in Buffalo, New York."

This information coincides with some of the Lincoln families in Hawaii who had claimed that their ancestor had to hide his family. So, LINCOLN families, it appears there are truths in your oral history"..hope you connect the dots soon".because after all, the Abraham Lincoln furniture held in the White House, Washington, D.C. has owners! The U.S. Presidents are utilizing the income off the rent/use of his furniture as their own financial income"..isn't it due you?!

1898: Spanish-American War:

President William McKinley -- Ohio -- Union

1899: Philippine-American War:

President William McKinley -- Ohio -- Union



1914 -- 1917 World War I:

President Woodrow Wilson - New Jersey - Union

1919 -- Haitians -1,800 killed by Americans due to occupation conflicts

President Woodrow Wilson -- New Jersey -- Union

1939 -- 1945 World War II:

President Franklin D. Roosevelt -- New York -- Union

Vietnam War:

President John F. Kennedy -- Union -- Assassinated

President Lyndon B. Johnson - Confederate

Civil Rights Conflicts -- Unrest in the U.S.:

President John F. Kennedy's brother -- Robert Kennedy Assassinated.

Civil rights leader: Black Leader Martin Luther King, Jr. -- Assassinated

Civil rights: Black Panther -- Malcolm X, etals. -- Assasinated

1964 -- Cuban Conflict occurred.

Note: Cuba is made up of sugar plantations slaves. The races include African Americans, Spanish, American Indians, and others. They were moved over from the U.S. It appears the desire to return to their home countries include the U.S. or the America's the origin of their ancestors, the aboriginal Americans, etc.

Note: The Cuban conflicts, and the above assasinations occurred when Confederate President Lyndon B. Johnson was in office.

1990 - Liberian Conflict occurred.

President George H. Bush -- Texas -- Confederate in position.

Note: The Liberians were set in place, a transferred group from the U.S. who hoped to reestablish their roots. The Americans appeared to have claimed the properties based on "protection of the lives and property of their citizens'. The Liberians were former slaves given an opportunity to move. Their backgrounds appear to be very similar to the Cubans.

Middleeast Conflicts:

President G. Bush -- Texas -- Confederate State


2001 Japanese Conflict -- Sinking of the EHIME MARU

President William Clinton -- Arkansas -- Confederate State

2002 911 TWIN TOWERS AND MOVE TO PLUNDER UPON IRAQ, and the Middle East for EXXON OIL Corporation, etc.

President G.W. Bush -- Confederate - Texas

See: article "The Brown Stuff' at www.gregpalast.com

PROBLEMATIC ISSUES

Due to the issues of Confederate states being less than a regular state, the U.S. Presidents operating from such a state appears to be operating as if they were from a state with normal, accepted status. Realistically, the law books shows otherwise.

Due to the issues of the Confederate Presidents being at the helm of operations during War Times, it appears that the Confederate Presidents are WARMONGERS documented.

Confederates were not, have not been in the business of the "rights of man' but FOR SLAVERY!

Note that there are also Problematic issues in Royal persons, descendants of England's Royalty who have not divulged their connections to a Monarchy/Constitutional Monarchy. Rightfully, legally, those Presidents are/were actually deceptive, criminal in nature. Their backgrounds, genealogies, rights were not properly checked in the past.

If the current President and recent past living Presidents are connected to the Royal families of England, etc. then, they must be charged for deceit, etc.

In the event, the current President is connected to the Royal families, etc. then, it is right and just that he be removed, impeached, and put on trial for having the citizens be positioned, killed, sacrificed for their own financial gains, their pockets, their own interests, their own Royal families interests. It is known that finances were conducted by the John Morgan bankers who assisted the U.S. and England since the American Civil War. The Morgan bankers deposits/ work with the International banks with Reserves, Trusts for the few who maintain animosities towards all people of color.

Hawaii /the Kingdom of Hawaii passed Anti-Slavery laws in 1852. The U.S. passed a similar law in 1865"..the difference being that the U.S. moves to maintain SLAVES at EVERYONES expense. See John Nelson's research athttp://myweb.ecomplanet.com/GORA8037

It appears that the entire basis of One World Order/New World Order are based on issues of England's Royal families, and the assistance of those Confederates who continue to suppress, oppress those who have more than they""especially the PEOPLE OF COLOR.

See article: UNSEEN EMPIRE in the Pacific Magazine and earlier issues of the IOLANI -- THE ROYAL HAWK.

Aloha.
*Tennessee "Military Governor" of Tennessee.
** President background questioned due to his birth being in Canada.

References:

Article, "A Small World" in FACTS AND FALLACIES (1988) page 328 edited and designed by Dorling Kindersley Ltd, Readers Digest Association, Inc.

THE COMPLETE BOOK OF U.S. PRESIDENTS (1993) by William A. De Gregorio, Barricade Books Inc.

CHRONOLOGICIAL HISTORY OF HAWAII, ABROAD, AND THE UNITED STATES (2001), WARS, CONFLICTS AND GENOCIDE and other books by Amelia Kuulei Gora

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List of Other Presidents related to George Washington


Letter of Thomas Paine dated, Paris, July 30th, 1796 to George Washington


Thomas Paine was an early writer who influenced Thomas Jefferson in writing the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE. Thomas Paine was known for his writings: COMMON SENSE -- best seller "with half a million copies distributed in short order. Jefferson, Washington, and John Adams read this pamphlet; Congress voted him $3000 for his pampheteering services, and the state of New York awarded him three hundred acres of land. The propaganda caught fire throughout the land; the militant phrases did their work, and wer reflected almost immediately in the Declaration of Independence. Paine wrote THE RIGHTS OF MAN and THE AGE OF REASON.


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Thomas Paine was an early writer who influenced Thomas Jefferson in writing the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE. Thomas Paine was known for his writings: COMMON SENSE -- best seller "with half a million copies distributed in short order. Jefferson, Washington, and John Adams read this pamphlet; Congress voted him $3000 for his pampheteering services, and the state of New York awarded him three hundred acres of land. The propaganda caught fire throughout the land; the militant phrases did their work, and wer reflected almost immediately in the Declaration of Independence. Paine wrote THE RIGHTS OF MAN and THE AGE OF REASON.

Paris, July 30th, 1796.


As censure is but awkwardly softened by apology, I shall offer you no apology for this letter. The eventful crisis to which your double politics have conducted the affairs of your country, requires an investigation uncramped by ceremony.

There was a time when the fame of America, moral and political, stood fair and high in the world. The re of her revolution extended itself to every individual, and to be a citizen of America gave a title to respect in Europe"The Washington of politics had not then appeared"I declare myself opposed to several matters in the constitution, particularly to the manner in which, what is called the Executive, is formed".I also declare myself opposed to almost the whole of your administration; for I know it to have been deceitful, if not even perfidious"

It was very well said"that "thirteen staves and never a hoop will not make a barrel," and as any kind of hooping the barrel, however defectively executed, would be better than none, it was scarcely possible but that considerable advantages must arise from the federal hooping of the States. It was with pleasure that every sincere friend to America beheld as the natural effect of union, her rising prosperity, and it was with grief they saw that prosperity mixed, even in blossom, with the germ of corruption. Monopolies of every kind marked your adminstration almost in the moment of its commencement. The lands obtained by the revolution were lavished upon partizans; injustice was acted under pretence of faith; and the chief of the army became the patron of the fraud. From such a beginning what else could be expected, than what has happened? A mean and servile submission to the insults of one nation; treachery and ingratitude to another. The fugitives have found protection in you"

As the federal constitution is a copy, though not quite so base as the original, of the form of the British Government, an imitation of its vices was naturally to be expected.

The part I acted in the American Revolution is well known; I shall not here repeat it. I know also that had it not been for the aid received from France in men, money and ships, that your cold and unmilitary conduct, as I shall show in the course of this letter, would, in all probability have lost America; at least she would not have been the independent nation she now is. You slept away your time in the field till the finances of the country were exhausted, and you have but little share in the glory of the final event. It is time, sir, to speak the undisguised language of historical truth.

Elevated to the Presidency you assumed the merit of every thing to yourself, and the natural ingratitude of your constitution began to appear. You commenced your Presidential career by encouraging and swallowing the grossest adulation, and you travelled America from one end to the other, to put yourself in the way of receiving it. You have as many addresses in your chest as James the II. As to what were your views, for if you are not great enough to have ambition you are little enough to have vanity, they cannot be directly inferred from expressions of your own; but the partizans of your politics have divulged the secret.

John Adams has said, (and John it is known was always a speller after places and offices, and never thought his little services were highly enough paid) -- John has said, that as Mr. Washington had no child, the Presidency should be made hereditary in the family of Lund Washington. John might then have counted upon some sinecure for himself, and a provision for his descendants. He did not go so far as to say, also, that the Vice Presidency should be made hereditary in the family of John Adams. He prudently left that to stand, on the ground that one good turn deserves another....The right to set up and establish hereditary government...is of a degree beyond treason; it is a sin against nature. The equal rights of every generation is a fixed right in the nature of things; it belongs to the son when of age, as it belonged to the father before him"

John Jay has said, (and this John was always the sycophant of every thing in power, from Mr. Girard in America to Grenville in Englalnd) --John Jay has said, that the Senate should have been appointed for life. He would then have been sure of never wanting a lucrative appointment for himself, and have had no fears about impeachment"

I began to find that I was not the only one who had conceived an unfavorable opinion of Mr. Washington; it was evident that his character was on the decline as well among Americans, as among foreigners of different nations. From being the chief of the government, he had made himself the chief of a party"The mission of Mr. Jay to London"was beginning to be talked of".

In the year 1790, or about that time, Mr. Washington, as President, had sent Gouverneur Morris to London, as his secret agent"If, while Morris was minister in France, he was not an emissary of the British ministry and the coalesced powers, he gave strong reason to suspect him of it"Morris still loiters in Europe, chiefly in England; and Mr. Washington is still in correspondence with him. Mr. Washington ought, therefore, to expect, especially since his conduct in the affairs of Jay's treaty, that France must consider Morris and Washington as men of the same description. The chief difference, however, between the two is, (for in politics there is none) that one is profligate enough to profess an indifference about moral principles, and the other is prudent enough to conceal the want of them"Errors, or caprices of the temper, can be pardoned and forgotten; but a cold, deliberate crime of the heart, such as Mr. Washington is capable of acting, is not to be washed away"

The character which Mr. Washington has attempted to act in this world, is a sort of non-describable, camelion-colored thing, called prudence. It is, in many cases, a substitute for principle, and is so nearly allied to hypocrisy, that it easily slides into it"

The first account that arrived in Paris of a treaty being negotiated by Mr. Jay, (for nobody suspected any) came in an English newspaper, which announced that a treaty, offensive ad defensive had been concluded between the United States of America and England. This was immediately denied"but at length the treaty itself arrived"The party papers of that imbecile adminstration were on this occasion filled with paragraphs about sovereignty. A paltroon may boast of his sovereign right to let another kick him, and this is the only kind of sovereignty shown in the treaty with England"

The Washington administration shows great desire that the treaty between France and the United States be preserved. Nobody can doubt its sincerity upon this matter. There is not a British minister, a British merchant, or a British agent, or factor, in America, that does not anxiously wish the same thing. The treaty with France serves now as a passport to supply England with naval stores, and other articles of American produce; whilst the same articles, when coming to France, are made contraband, or seizable, by Jay's treaty with England....It is too paltry to talk of faith, of national honor, and of the preservation of treaties, whilst such a barefaced treachery as this stares the world in the face.

The Washington administration may save itself the trouble of proving to the French government its most faithful intentions of preserving the treaty with France; for France has now no desire that it should be preserved; she had nominated an envoy extraordinary to America, to make Mr. Washington and his government a present of the treaty, and to have no more to do with that, or with him. It was at the same time officially declared to the American minister at Paris, that the French Republic had rather have the American government for an open enemy than a treacherous friend. This, sir, with the internal distractions caused in America, and the loss of character in the world, is the eventful crisis alluded to in the beginning of this letter"

A stranger might be led to suppose, from the egotism with which Mr. Washington speaks, that himself, and himself only, had generated, conducted, completed, established, the revolution. In fine, that it was all his own doing"Mr. Washington's merit consisted in constancy"

But when we speak of military character, something more is to be understood than constancy; and something more ought to be understood than the Fabian system of doing nothing. --The nothing part can be done by any body. Old Mrs. Thompson, the house-keeper of head quarters (who threatened to make the sun and the wind shine through Rivington of New York) could have done as well as Mr. Washington. Deborah would have been as good as Barak.

Mr. Washington had the nominal rank of Commander in Chief; but he was not so in fact"He had no control over, or direction of, the army to the northward, under Gates, that captured Burgoyne, nor of that of the south, under Green, that recovered the southern States. The nominal rank, however, of Commander in Chief, served to throw upon him the re of those actions, and to make him appear as the soul and centre of all the military operations in America".

It appears that the intent of the new U.S. government was to be one following England:

"the Presidency should be made hereditary in the family of Lund Washington. John might then have counted upon some sinecure for himself, and a provision for his descendants. He did not go so far as to say, also, that the Vice Presidency should be made hereditary in the family of John Adams. He prudently left that to stand, on the ground that one good turn deserves another....The right to set up and establish hereditary government...is of a degree beyond treason; it is a sin against nature. The equal rights of every generation is a fixed right in the nature of things; it belongs to the son when of age, as it belonged to the father before him""

Perhaps if Washington had children, the above would have been set in place. Washington had many relatives living with him, owned Bank of England's shares which appears to have been assumed by his relatives who were also descendants of George III of England.


When the revolution of America was finally established"the minister penitentiary, (as some of the British prints called him) Mr. Jay, was sent on a pilgrimage to London, to make all up by penance and petition".The commerce of America, so far as it had been established, by all the treaties that had been formed prior to that by Jay, was free"The commerce of America is, by Jay's treaty, put under foreign dominion. There never was such a base and servile treaty of surrender, since treaties began to exist".

And as to you, sir, treacherous to private friendship (for so you have been to me, and that in the day of danger) and a hypocrite in public life, the world will be puzzled to decide whether you are an apostate or an impostor, whether you have abandoned good principles, or whether you ever had any?

Thomas Paine

Notes and Comments:

George Washington's dual roles appear to have been recognized by Thomas Paine in the following about "double politics':

"The eventful crisis to which your double politics have conducted the affairs of your country, requires an investigation uncramped by ceremony."

Washington played the role of a "Royal person not subject to the laws in a country based on another government unlike a Monarchy':

Elevated to the Presidency you assumed the merit of every thing to yourself, and the natural ingratitude of your constitution began to appear. You commenced your Presidential career by encouraging and swallowing the grossest adulation, and you travelled America from one end to the other, to put yourself in the way of receiving it. You have as many addresses in your chest as James the II.

James the II was the King of England, Scotland, and Ireland (1685-88).

James the II was succeeded by William of Orange, his brother-in- Law.

William of Orange, after the 1689 revolution, "signed the Bill of Rights which reaffirmed ancient rights of people and Parliament."

William of Orange's son became William III (1689-1702).

James II's daughter Anne ruled (1702-1714)

George I (1714-1727)

George I "left the affairs of the government in the hands of the ministers", because he could not "easily speak English".

George II (1727-1760)

George II "left the affairs of the government in the hands of the minsters",
Because he could not "easily speak English".

George III (1760-1820)

George IV (1820-1830)

* * * * *
George Washington's ancestor was Edward III (1327-1377). Edward III had three children Edward, the Black Prince; John Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster and Edmund, Duke of York.

It was the line of John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster that ruled England till today.

All three lines (3 children of Edward III) were Royal persons.

* * * * *

It appears that Thomas Paine knew a bit of genealogy when commenting about Washington and comparing him to James II.

It appears that the U.S. was maneuvered to be under England by Washington's imbecile administration:

The party papers of that imbecile adminstration were on this occasion filled with paragraphs about sovereignty. A paltroon may boast of his sovereign right to let another kick him, and this is the only kind of sovereignty shown in the treaty with England"


Washington operating under a dual role was:

" treacherous to private friendship (for so you have been to me, and that in the day of danger) and a hypocrite in public life, the world will be puzzled to decide whether you are an apostate or an impostor, whether you have abandoned good principles, or whether you ever had any?"

Thomas Paine was not popular with "politicians for denouncing Washington".

A hundred years later, Warmonger Theodore Roosevelt, U.S. President "denounced Thomas Paine as "a filthy little atheist."

Warmonger's the TRUTH.

* * * * *

Laws based on Presidential Executive Order/Discretion/Executive Privilege

Washington defended the Presidential privilege. However, this privilege appears to be a Royal issue and has no place in the Democratic government.
It appears that he turned his Royal decree/issue and ran with it unopposed. This in turn became one of a "custom" which has the "force of law', but the reality is that it is NOT LAW.

A Monarchy government has a King. "The King reigns but does not rule. He represents to the people of England the continuing presence of their own power in the constitution; by his very permanence he is the symbol of the impermanence of politicians, and by his stability the reminder to them that their business is not their own power but the well-being of his people."

Reference:

THE MONARCHS OF ENGLAND (1975) by Jean Morris, Charterhouse, New York, Reference 923.142M Hawaii Kai Library, Honolulu, Oahu, Hawaii

A Democratic government has a President, who is NOT A KING. It is a government that is not in alignment with a Monarchy government.

In 1822, the Secret Treaty of Verona was agreed to by France, Austria, Prussia, Russia, the Vatican, U.S., and England. The purpose was to break down/block the formation of Monarchy governments.

The Masons/Freemasons were also set up to break down Monarchy governments as well.

Finally, there is a saying "One lie makes a hundred."

"All countries have passed through periods when someone who should not rule has made the attempt to rule over them, but a strong instinct forced them at once to concentrate their energies and to crush that irregular claim to exercise power. They rejected the passing irregularity and thus reconstituted their morale as a people".There can be no elastic vigour for the difficult task of retaining a worthy position in history in a society whose State, whose authority, is of its very nature a fraud."

Therefore, many lies are hereby documented from the dishonest teachings that George Washington was the first President, he operating as a Royal person and a citizen of a Democracy, LIES to his people/deceit/fraud, operating with two incompatible governments, a scoundrel as documented by Thomas Paine, utilizing private interests in funding WARS/Business of Wars, etc.

Aloha.

Other References:


THE REVOLT OF THE MASSES (1957) by Jose Ortega Y Gasset, W. W. Norton & Company Inc, New York

NATIONAL GOVERNMENTS AND INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS (1952) by Frank Abbott Magruder, Allyn and Bacon

HERE'S ENGLAND (1955) by Ruth McKenney Bransten and Richard Bransten, Harper & Row, Publishers, Incorporated

THE AMERICAN NATION YESTERDAY AND TODAY (1942) by Rolla M. Tryon and Frances Morehouse, The Athenaum Press, Ginn and Company, Proprietors, Boston, U.S.A.

CHRONOLOGICAL HISTORY OF HAWAII, ABROAD AND THE UNITED STATES (2002) and other books by Amelia Kuulei Gora


IO-IO-IO-IO-IO-IO-IO-IO-IO-IO-IO-IO-IO-IO-IO-IO-IO-IO-IO-IO-IO-IO-IO-
(posted in the IOLANI-The Royal Hawk Vol 1 No. 68 or see at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Hawaiian_Genealogy_Society-akg/?tab=S or
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Hawaiian_Genealogy_Society-akg/files )


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(518 posts)
Mililani, Hawaii,
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3/13/2006 (21:56) delete edit reply top Response to message 2 written by amelia gora

note:

appears that words are eliminated....

such as 'WARMONGERS F* e AR* the TRUTH'

other words such as con S*PI ra tors also appear to be eliminated in the posts...interesting....

aloha.
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g.j.crabb
(1344 posts)
Pacific Palms,
Australia
3/16/2006 (04:19) delete edit reply top

Response to topic written by amelia gora

Hi Amelia,
A look back into history that has never been taught in our schools.

The newspaper 'American Aurora' from 1790 through 1800 kept America's founding fathers true to their original mission. Our political elite have from then on assisted in the control of any free press by legislative and other pressures to suit the interests of the ruling class. The editors of this newspaper were subjected to much vilification from the ranks of this early elite political class that is now dominant in the US. Is it any wonder that we now have a rogue press that have prostituted their morals to the elite.(GJ)

Thomas Paine wrote a letter to Washington then President of the US on affairs Public and Private. (Aurora 1796)

'Had it not been for the aid received from France in men, money and ships, your cold and unmilitary conduct , as I shall show in the course of this letter, would in all probability have lost America; at least she would have not been the independent nation she now is. You slept away your time in the field till the finances of the country were completely exhausted, and you have little share in the glory of the final event. it is time, sir, to speak the undisguised language of historical truth.'


Washington was an absolute disaster as General Washington, Commander in Chief, and it seems that he was a disaster as America's first President. Records show us this revered man in American history was a coward and a murderer.(GJ)

Philadelphia Aurora accused George Washington of a heinous crime back in 1754.

'The accusation in question is no less than of having, while commanding a party of American troops, fired on a flag of truce; killing the officer in the act of reading a summons under the sanction of such a flag; of having attempted to vindicate the act, and yet of having signed a capitulation, in which the killing of that officer and his men was acknowledged as an act of assassination.'

By this act Washington catalyzed a war with France once again paid for by the taxpayers. (GJ)

'By the following year (1756) Britain and France were fully at war in America and abroard. As Horace Walpole, a member of the British Parliament, explained, 'the volly fired by a young Virginian in the backwoods of America set the world on fire.... TA Lewis, 'For King and Country'. NY. Harper Collins, 1993.
The young Virginian was George Washington who admitted to this murder and for that was given the Presidency of the US. Nothing has changed! (GJ)

We had GW (George Washington) and we now have GW but instead of Washington we have a Bush. Both are related via the ruling class bloodlines that go way back and now to our Queen Lizzie and her Black nobility shadow Princely Philip who, evidently, has had to control his royal ego and walk behind Lizzie for the duration of her majestic stay. Must be tough for for old Phil but it has it compensations. (GJ)

'The American War of Independence broke out officially in 1775, triggered by the imposition by the British Crown of higher taxation on the Colonies to meet the huge costs of the Seven Years War between Britain and France. The Seven Years War itself began after George Washington, then a young military leader in the British Colonial Army, had apparently ordered the killing of French troops in Ohio. David Icke, 'The Biggest Secret'.

David Icke, in this book, has a lot to say about George Washington, his inner sanctum of secret societies, black magic and his associates. We must remind ourselves 'Washington DC, the District of Columbia that was structural in the privatization of the US currency by the elite owned Federal Reserve that is bleeding the people dry. Go get a copy of 'The Biggest Secret' and then try and fault Icke's claims! (GJ)

So it seems that the majority of peoples anywhere just can't get along without the aid of absolute arsole's controlling and abusing them. It also seems that they are addicted to this transient power source and reelect these same arsole's giving them more power each time they request it. Someone said once that pain was good for the soul and if this is so then it is a pity that ignorance isn't painful!..... GJ



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"The country is run by evil............" Aaron Russo........ (Note: Barack Obama is a descendant of Robert E. Lee, Confederate General, and one of the heirs of GEORGE WASHINGTON..............." aloha.



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From:     Mack (DMCFARLA)
To:       (CYBEAR_MN)
DateTime: 28/02/2003 19:31:31

Just a few of the people Bill Clinton did not have to pardon... 

James McDougal - Clinton's convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.

Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.

Vince Foster - Former white House councilor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock's Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.

Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors.

C. Victor Raiser II - & - Montgomery Raiser, Major players in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in
July1992.

Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992. Described by Clinton as a "Dear friend and trusted advisor".

Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the
woods
in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on
the
same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the
oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several
Clinton fund raising events.

Jerry Parks - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little
Rock.
Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock.
Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He
allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files
were mysteriously removed from his house.

James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a
"Black Book" of people which contained names of influential people who
visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.

James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging
suicide.
He was reported to have ties to Whitewater.

Kathy Ferguson, ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found
dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was
ruled a
suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were
going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill
Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible
corroborating witness for Paula Jones.

Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy
Ferguson.Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found
dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave
site of his fiancee.

Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton's friend Dan Lassater, died by
jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a
convicted drug distributor.

Florence Martin - Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related
to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. He died of three
gunshot wounds.

Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was
Arkansas
Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled
a
suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.

Paula Grober - Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until
her
death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.

Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and
Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparently,
in the middle of his investigation.

Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with
Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet June
22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet
Reno 3
weeks before his death.

Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution TrustCorp.
Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony
August15,
1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guarantee scandal.

Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron
Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996.
Her bruised, nude body was found locked in her office at the Department
of Commerce.

Charles Meissner - Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang
special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane
crash.

Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care
Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane
crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton's advisory council
personally treated Clinton's mother, stepfather and brother.

Barry Seal - Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas, death was no
accident
Johnny Lawhorn Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton in
the
trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car
had hit a utility pole.

Stanley Huggins - Investigated Madison Guarantee. His death was a
purported
suicide and his report was never released.
Hershell Friday - Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994
when his plane exploded.

Kevin Ives & Don Henry - Known as "The boys on the track" case. Reports
say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug
operation. A
controversial case, the initial report of death said, due to falling
asleep on railroad tracks. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain
before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before
their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.

THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE: Keith
Coney - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, 7/88.
Keith McMaskle - Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988 Gregory Collins -
Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.
Jeff Rhodes - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in
April 1989.
James Milan - Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death
was due to "natural causes".
Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his
pickup truck in June 1990.
Richard Winters - A suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. He was killed
in a set-up robbery July 1989.

THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:
Major William S. Barkley Jr.
Captain Scott J. Reynolds
Sgt. Brian Hanley
Sgt. Tim Sabel Major
General William Robertson
Col. William Densberger
Col. Robert Kelly Spec.
Gary Rhodes
Steve Willis
Robert Williams
Conway LeBleu
Todd McKeehan

Quite an impressive list! of
what happens to friends of the Clinton's!

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DateTime: 28/02/2003 19:31:31

Just a few of the people Bill Clinton did not have to pardon... 

James McDougal - Clinton's convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.

Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.

Vince Foster - Former white House councilor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock's Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.

Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors.

C. Victor Raiser II - & - Montgomery Raiser, Major players in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in
July1992.

Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992. Described by Clinton as a "Dear friend and trusted advisor".

Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the
woods
in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on
the
same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the
oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several
Clinton fund raising events.

Jerry Parks - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little
Rock.
Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock.
Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He
allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files
were mysteriously removed from his house.

James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a
"Black Book" of people which contained names of influential people who
visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.

James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging
suicide.
He was reported to have ties to Whitewater.

Kathy Ferguson, ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found
dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was
ruled a
suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were
going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill
Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible
corroborating witness for Paula Jones.

Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy
Ferguson.Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found
dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave
site of his fiancee.

Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton's friend Dan Lassater, died by
jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a
convicted drug distributor.

Florence Martin - Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related
to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. He died of three
gunshot wounds.

Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was
Arkansas
Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled
a
suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.

Paula Grober - Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until
her
death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.

Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and
Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparently,
in the middle of his investigation.

Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with
Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet June
22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet
Reno 3
weeks before his death.

Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution TrustCorp.
Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony
August15,
1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guarantee scandal.

Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron
Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996.
Her bruised, nude body was found locked in her office at the Department
of Commerce.

Charles Meissner - Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang
special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane
crash.

Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care
Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane
crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton's advisory council
personally treated Clinton's mother, stepfather and brother.

Barry Seal - Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas, death was no
accident
Johnny Lawhorn Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton in
the
trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car
had hit a utility pole.

Stanley Huggins - Investigated Madison Guarantee. His death was a
purported
suicide and his report was never released.
Hershell Friday - Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994
when his plane exploded.

Kevin Ives & Don Henry - Known as "The boys on the track" case. Reports
say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug
operation. A
controversial case, the initial report of death said, due to falling
asleep on railroad tracks. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain
before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before
their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.

THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE: Keith
Coney - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, 7/88.
Keith McMaskle - Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988 Gregory Collins -
Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.
Jeff Rhodes - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in
April 1989.
James Milan - Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death
was due to "natural causes".
Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his
pickup truck in June 1990.
Richard Winters - A suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. He was killed
in a set-up robbery July 1989.

THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:
Major William S. Barkley Jr.
Captain Scott J. Reynolds
Sgt. Brian Hanley
Sgt. Tim Sabel Major
General William Robertson
Col. William Densberger
Col. Robert Kelly Spec.
Gary Rhodes
Steve Willis
Robert Williams
Conway LeBleu
Todd McKeehan

Quite an impressive list! of
what happens to friends of the Clinton's!

This is 
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