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Tuesday, July 3, 2018

Topic: Alodio Titles, Fee Simple Titles etc. Interpretations by College Professors vs. Researchers With Evidence - Repost fyi

Join us for an interesting presentation on land ownership in Hawaii, probably something that realtors may have difficulty understanding or don't know about. And us, too! Oct. 27, 2017, 6:30 pm at the Kanaina Bldg. on the Palace grounds. Free parking on the grounds. Wheelchair accessible. Welcome to bring some food to share. Need more info? palolo@hawaii.rr.com. Yes, have phone camera, will livestream.
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Christine Meadows Sounds very interesting!
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Gregory Stajka will you be live streaming?
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Lynette Cruz replied1 Reply
Jeannine Johnson Appreciate that he doesn't call it Great because it wasn't.
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Barbara Navas please post this. Mahalo nui loa.
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Scott Liloa Stevens Poire The " not so great " mahele
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Scott Liloa Stevens Poire replied2 Replies
Susan Rosier Great or not so great the bottom line today is still all land transactions after 1898 are illegal .. Ask Donovan
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Nanci Munroe Go Donovan!!
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Peter Kalawaia Moore Yes, excellent
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Deldrene Herron I hope he is prepared for questions on how allodial land titles alloted to the chiefs and konohiki by K III, KIV, KV, Lunalilo and Kalakaua under Patent Law and Common Laws ended up as "less than allodial". Also the Land Commissioners had no power to change land titles. Only the monarch had that power. Royal Patents and Royal Grants, which were stolen from the chiefly bloodlines and their heirs after the Illegal occupation of our nation began, are still valid today.
NO TREATY=NO ANNEXATION=ILLEGAL OCCUPATION. We are still in a "state of war". We are not a free country. America still has a gun to our head, has pillaged our Kingdom treasury and holds our land titles hostage.

Too many ignorant , brainwashed professors carry on the lies of how the land was lost. Too many plantation lawyers and conniving businessmen, and corrupt judges have rewritten the laws of the Kingdom since the overthrow of our government.

How do we fix this? Many "good American" Kanaka don't want to hear what Kingdom patriots are saying. They better listen because the genie is out of the bottle and he won't stop telling the historical truth.

Ir you're not looking for solutions then you are part of the problem. WE ARE NOT AMERICANS, WE ARE NOT AMERICANS, WE ARE NOT AMERICANS.
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Donovan Preza Aloha Deldrene. I am aware of the "less than allodial" and "Royal Patent Grants" argument. It is far too complicated to discuss over FB but I would be willing to discuss it at the presentation. My understanding of the "less than allodial" is probably different than yours. "Less than allodial", is defined as a "life estate" (see LCA 433 to William Crowningburgh which can be found in Chinen, The Great Mahele, on page 10). Allodial means "fee" so less than "fee" makes sense because the only kinds of title in western property law that are "less than fee" are life estates and leases. me ka ha'aha'a.
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Ekolu Kalama Allodial means supreme lord, owing vassalage and fealty to no one. Kam III modeled the Mahele after the French and used Bouvier not Black's (English). I hope this brings clarity to the matter. You also cannot be sovereign and governed, they are opposing ends of the spectrum. Know who you are and act accordingly 🙏🏽
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Ekolu Kalama Donovan Preza the correct term is "Fee Simple less than Allodial" making "Allodial greater than Fee Simple"...simple yeah 🤔
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Ekolu Kalama They taught me the first night of real estate school that all lands in Hawaii are stolen, that's why everyone is required to have title insurance. That is why I never became a real estate agent.
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Tim Reis This would be a great question for the presentation.

Is there evidence (primary source documents) that Kamehameha III was using the French definition?

I thought we were modeled after British Common Law?

Does the French definition include "native tenant rights?"
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Amelia Gora Donovan Preza suggest you take a good look at the INDICES of AWARDS (1929) because Bailey changes the ALODIO and FEE SIMPLE to ALODIO IN FEE SIMPLE ....point is that the move was to defraud kanaka maoli.......Read the 1851 Speech of Kamehameha III because he points out that to his people he gave ALODIO and to aliens (yep damn them Aliens/haole/ foreigners who usurped our Queen)...they had only FEE SIMPLE which was less than Alodio--- short term leases of 30 years, Freehold......... Sanford B. Dole also had some influence on changing the terminologies.....all of these moves by the haole were part of the conspiracy to defraud our people.....cousin Keoua Gora obtained certified docs, from the Bureau and Archives before Adam Jansen, archivist started destroying, digitilizing, making our Nation's documents go away....he is a genocide activist recently reported... posted this recently: http://maoliworld.com/.../found-it-sanford-b-dole-began... for consult if needed -=contact cousin through his brother Lawrence Kelii Gora...btw Kelii is out of touch with these issues.Manage
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Amelia Gora FOUND IT!!! Sanford B. Dole, et. als. Began the Indoctrination/Lies About Fee Simple Ownership Disregarding Alodio/Alodial Titles - Forever Lands from Kamehameha III
Posted by Amelia Gora on August 17, 2017 at 1:54am in Politics
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researched by Amelia Gora (2017)
This book was found with Lies, Indoctrination, FRAUDS About Fee Simple Titles which was published in 1896:
LAND TITLES.
During the period of 1846-1855 the ancient tenure of land was abolished, and the foundation laid of individual property in land. In the first place, the king as feudal suzerain divided the lands of the kingdom between himself and each one of the 75chiefs, his feudatories, this partition being recorded in a book called the Mahele Book, or Book of Division. After this first partition was closed, out of four million acres there remained in the king's hands about two and a half millions. The king then redivided the lands which had been surrendered to him, setting apart about a million and a half acres for the Government, and reserving for himself as his private domain, about a million acres, including the best of the lands. The common people were granted fee simple titles for their house lots and the lands which they actually cultivated for themselves, called Kuleanas or homesteads.
Reference: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/29383/29383-h/29383-h.htm...
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Jeffrey Kawika Patricio Tim Reis 1888 Supreme Court citation of Bouvierʻs Law Dictionary regarding "jurisdiction". http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/.../image_681x648_from.../Manage
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Jeffrey Kawika Patricio Tim Reis 1852 Henry Rhodes, Supreme Court Clerk notice that Bouvierʻs Law Dictionary is missing from the Law Library. http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/.../image_681x651_from.../Manage
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Jeffrey Kawika Patricio Tim Reis So, if you run a search for "law dictionary" in Chronicling America, youʻll find Bouvier cited first, and most, followed by Burrill, with Blackʻs Law Dictionary getting no mention under the Kingdom.
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Jeffrey Kawika Patricio Tim Reis Also, Ekolu is actually incorrect in stating that Bouvierʻs law dictionary is French. Bouvier was born a kanaka maoli ko Farani, but his law career was in America, and his dictionary was targeting an American audience. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bouvier%27s_Law_DictionaryManage
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Tim Reis Mahalo Jeffrey Kawika Patricio.
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Tim Reis Brief glance at Bouvier's preface, referenced in the Wikipedia article, just raises more questions.

"native tenant rights" relating to Allodial Titles?
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Jeffrey Kawika Patricio Tim Reis Well, we know the books were already missing in 1852, and the 4th edition of Bouvier was printed in 1852, so the copy they had on hand must have been a 1st - 3rd edition. For reference, and what is available online, I generally use the 6th edition from 1856 found here: http://www.constitution.org/bouv/bouvier.htm ... Should be pretty close to what they were using without all the outside contributions and extras when it turned encyclopedic vs strictly a law dictionary.Manage
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Jeffrey Kawika Patricio Tim Reis : "native tenant rights" relating to Allodial Titles, is where we really get into what is noted in the flyer above as "a unique system of property law found nowhere else in the world". The precedence is set by Hawaiian usage itself. You wonʻt find all rights enumerated in one single place, but defined and refined over time by laws passed in regard to a specific subject such as Public and Private Rights of Piscary(fishing). A good place to start, and which I believe may be the earliest codified usage is the 1845-1846 Statute laws, starting at page 99, read the last Section XII, then go back and read the previous sections, and the next article as well. Also check the index for related terms such as Land, Landlord, tenant, etc. Iʻm no expert on the subject BTW, just trying to wrap my head around this like yourself. https://archive.org/details/statutelawshism00ricogoogManage
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Jeffrey Kawika Patricio An index of all(or maybe not all, but lots of) the different revisions of compiled laws. http://law.hawaii.libguides.com/hawaiilawsonlineManage
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Doreene Kealohanui Yes. Livestream, please. Mahalo Lynette.
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Kaukaohu Wahilani We will be there!!! Mahalo Nui Anake Lynette Cruz me Donovan Preza!!! Aloha Titah Lori Halemano!!!
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Lori Halemano Aloha palala! 🤙🏽
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Keith Maile Congrats Donovan
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Emanuela Borgnino I hope you will livestream it!!!!
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Chandell Asuncion MAHALO NUI! I'm so happy to hear you will be livestreaming. I will be tuning in for sure.
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Damian McPherson That was my professor at uh Mānoa for Hawaiian Geography. Amazing guy
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Luwella Leonardi Not going, Can't get pass the garbage, the good stuff and the land court ' usage'. Morning point, I'm a Geographer Only BA kine, specializing in cartography, remote sensing and GIS. It's great to get into the spin, but need to spin out and know the today stuff to validate the history. UH Manoa Geographers, screwed up and sold out to land usage. The Organic Act imprisons the 'ceded' lands and is NOW, privatizing, or setting enforcement (jurisdiction). I say cut the crap! Go for the more friendly, 'tenancy in common' realestates stuff to 'huli' the junk stuff. The Kuleana Act process is tough! Ohana feuding before, during and after! Once the property tax lowerer's to $300, instead of, $6,000, we can resolve ownership, but the EBT card ohana members are just jerks and those that are not family members somehow got their name on the list via a trust company, are just as shitty as hell. I'm DHHL, I don't own the land under me: and the 49ers, realtors, general leases, developers they all have a say on the aina my house is on over my needs. I live in Waianae Valley DHHL, and I used to own the air space over my head, but not anymore. Not going! Why? Because, I'm a neogeographer.
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Luwella Leonardi This is McAllister and my tutu man Edward Niaupio on the Koa. Makai pier is in place where this Kia once existed.Manage
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Luwella Leonardi My tutu and Mc Allister close up in WaimanaloManage
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Luwella Leonardi I'm more concern with BOEM's liquid Realestate, anyone up for talk story?Manage
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Luwella Leonardi Ok, closeup..see the pixels? It has numbers. This will be leased out to the capitalist globalizations which what they did to the air above. The yellow line is shore to 3 miles which is local-state owned. Beyond the state-local owned yellow line at the 3 mile it is State-Federal owned. Beyond the two mile black line is all Federally owned. Sad yeah?Manage
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Luwella Leonardi On the 12th of Oct. come to DLNR in the evening and really come into the ocean leasing wars. Good fun! Just listen tho cause this is all manly! 😆😃😜😊
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Luwella Leonardi One last comment I think, make sure you know your gathering laws, cause I attending the'war' meetings out there and it's so fricken nasty! Uncle Max from Molokai. He's pretty good, but, there is lot's of stuff going on...Manage
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Luwella Leonardi Sometimes Susan Case show up too. This next meeting is about Aquarium fishing-- it's going to bust open the whole industry. Not sure, if no one's coming or lot's going come. Oct 12, call the DLNR office maybe CXL or at another location? Yup, I going, but not looking forward to going.Manage
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Amelia Gora Important to note that Kamehameha III did say that his Alodio was unlike any other.....Spain, England etc. they gave to their people Alodio and when a citizen/subject died, the land was taken back by the Sovereign......and Kamehameha III gave FOREVER lands to his subjects/kanaka maoli and once they died, their Alodio title became his children's/the heirs of the recipient, and so on so on.........as stated, consult with cousin Keoua for more info........our people have been defrauded over time.......know this...........btw our families have the evidence of Kamehameha III's information.......best to gear up with the facts otherwise it's going to be embarrassing for those who give out erroneous info.... because challenges will be forthcoming.......Kamehameha III had aloha for his own people.....giving everyone a heads up Manage
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