Join us for an interesting presentation on land ownership in Hawaii, probably something that realtors may have difficulty understanding or don't know about. And us, too! Oct. 27, 2017, 6:30 pm at the Kanaina Bldg. on the Palace grounds. Free parking on the grounds. Wheelchair accessible. Welcome to bring some food to share. Need more info? palolo@hawaii.rr.com. Yes, have phone camera, will livestream.
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Scott Liloa Stevens Poire The " not so great " mahele
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Susan Rosier Great or not so great the bottom line today is still all land transactions after 1898 are illegal .. Ask Donovan
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Deldrene Herron I hope he is prepared for questions on how allodial land titles alloted to the chiefs and konohiki by K III, KIV, KV, Lunalilo and Kalakaua under Patent Law and Common Laws ended up as "less than allodial". Also the Land Commissioners had no power to...See More
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Donovan Preza Aloha Deldrene. I am aware of the "less than allodial" and "Royal Patent Grants" argument. It is far too complicated to discuss over FB but I would be willing to discuss it at the presentation. My understanding of the "less than allodial" is probabl...See More
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Ekolu Kalama Allodial means supreme lord, owing vassalage and fealty to no one. Kam III modeled the Mahele after the French and used Bouvier not Black's (English). I hope this brings clarity to the matter. You also cannot be sovereign and governed, they are opposing ends of the spectrum. Know who you are and act accordingly 
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Ekolu Kalama Donovan Preza the correct term is "Fee Simple less than Allodial" making "Allodial greater than Fee Simple"...simple yeah 
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Ekolu Kalama They taught me the first night of real estate school that all lands in Hawaii are stolen, that's why everyone is required to have title insurance. That is why I never became a real estate agent.
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Amelia Gora Donovan Preza suggest you take a good look at the INDICES of AWARDS (1929) because Bailey changes the ALODIO and FEE SIMPLE to ALODIO IN FEE SIMPLE ....point is that the move was to defraud kanaka maoli.......Read the 1851 Speech of Kamehameha III because he points out that to his people he gave ALODIO and to aliens (yep damn them Aliens/haole/ foreigners who usurped our Queen)...they had only FEE SIMPLE which was less than Alodio--- short term leases of 30 years, Freehold......... Sanford B. Dole also had some influence on changing the terminologies.....all of these moves by the haole were part of the conspiracy to defraud our people.....cousin Keoua Gora obtained certified docs, from the Bureau and Archives before Adam Jansen, archivist started destroying, digitilizing, making our Nation's documents go away....he is a genocide activist recently reported... posted this recently:http://maoliworld.com/.../found-it-sanford-b-dole-began... for consult if needed -=contact cousin through his brother Lawrence Kelii Gora...btw Kelii is out of touch with these issues.
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Amelia Gora FOUND IT!!! Sanford B. Dole, et. als. Began the Indoctrination/Lies About Fee Simple Ownership Disregarding Alodio/Alodial Titles - Forever Lands from Kamehameha III
Posted by Amelia Gora on August 17, 2017 at 1:54am in Politics
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This book was found with Lies, Indoctrination, FRAUDS About Fee Simple Titles which was published in 1896:
LAND TITLES.
During the period of 1846-1855 the ancient tenure of land was abolished, and the foundation laid of individual property in land. In the first place, the king as feudal suzerain divided the lands of the kingdom between himself and each one of the 75chiefs, his feudatories, this partition being recorded in a book called the Mahele Book, or Book of Division. After this first partition was closed, out of four million acres there remained in the king's hands about two and a half millions. The king then redivided the lands which had been surrendered to him, setting apart about a million and a half acres for the Government, and reserving for himself as his private domain, about a million acres, including the best of the lands. The common people were granted fee simple titles for their house lots and the lands which they actually cultivated for themselves, called Kuleanas or homesteads.
Reference:http://www.gutenberg.org/files/29383/29383-h/29383-h.htm...
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researched by Amelia Gora (2017)
This book was found with Lies, Indoctrination, FRAUDS About Fee Simple Titles which was published in 1896:
LAND TITLES.
During the period of 1846-1855 the ancient tenure of land was abolished, and the foundation laid of individual property in land. In the first place, the king as feudal suzerain divided the lands of the kingdom between himself and each one of the 75chiefs, his feudatories, this partition being recorded in a book called the Mahele Book, or Book of Division. After this first partition was closed, out of four million acres there remained in the king's hands about two and a half millions. The king then redivided the lands which had been surrendered to him, setting apart about a million and a half acres for the Government, and reserving for himself as his private domain, about a million acres, including the best of the lands. The common people were granted fee simple titles for their house lots and the lands which they actually cultivated for themselves, called Kuleanas or homesteads.
Reference:http://www.gutenberg.org/files/29383/29383-h/29383-h.htm...
also posted on maoliworld forums and the IOLANI - The Royal Hawk news on the web...
Jeffrey Kawika Patricio Tim Reis 1888 Supreme Court citation of Bouvierʻs Law Dictionary regarding "jurisdiction".http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/.../image_681x648_from.../
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Jeffrey Kawika Patricio Tim Reis 1852 Henry Rhodes, Supreme Court Clerk notice that Bouvierʻs Law Dictionary is missing from the Law Library. http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/.../image_681x651_from.../
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Jeffrey Kawika Patricio Tim Reis So, if you run a search for "law dictionary" in Chronicling America, youʻll find Bouvier cited first, and most, followed by Burrill, with Blackʻs Law Dictionary getting no mention under the Kingdom.
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Jeffrey Kawika Patricio Tim Reis Also, Ekolu is actually incorrect in stating that Bouvierʻs law dictionary is French. Bouvier was born a kanaka maoli ko Farani, but his law career was in America, and his dictionary was targeting an American audience.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bouvier%27s_Law_Dictionary
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Jeffrey Kawika Patricio Tim Reis Well, we know the books were already missing in 1852, and the 4th edition of Bouvier was printed in 1852, so the copy they had on hand must have been a 1st - 3rd edition. For reference, and what is available online, I generally use the 6th ed...See More
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Jeffrey Kawika Patricio Tim Reis : "native tenant rights" relating to Allodial Titles, is where we really get into what is noted in the flyer above as "a unique system of property law found nowhere else in the world". The precedence is set by Hawaiian usage itself. You wonʻ...See More
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Jeffrey Kawika Patricio An index of all(or maybe not all, but lots of) the different revisions of compiled laws.http://law.hawaii.libguides.com/hawaiilawsonline
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Doreene Kealohanui Yes. Livestream, please. Mahalo Lynette.
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Kaukaohu Wahilani We will be there!!! Mahalo Nui Anake Lynette Cruz me Donovan Preza!!! Aloha Titah Lori Halemano!!!
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Chandell Asuncion MAHALO NUI! I'm so happy to hear you will be livestreaming. I will be tuning in for sure.
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Damian McPherson That was my professor at uh Mānoa for Hawaiian Geography. Amazing guy
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Luwella Leonardi Not going, Can't get pass the garbage, the good stuff and the land court ' usage'. Morning point, I'm a Geographer Only BA kine, specializing in cartography, remote sensing and GIS. It's great to get into the spin, but need to spin out and know the to...See More
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Luwella Leonardi This is McAllister and my tutu man Edward Niaupio on the Koa. Makai pier is in place where this Kia once existed.
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Amelia Gora Important to note that Kamehameha III did say that his Alodio was unlike any other.....Spain, England etc. they gave to their people Alodio and when a citizen/subject died, the land was taken back by the Sovereign......and Kamehameha III gave FOREVER lands to his subjects/kanaka maoli and once they died, their Alodio title became his children's/the heirs of the recipient, and so on so on.........as stated, consult with cousin Keoua for more info........our people have been defrauded over time.......know this...........btw our families have the evidence of Kamehameha III's information.......best to gear up with the facts otherwise it's going to be embarrassing for those who give out erroneous info.... because challenges will be forthcoming.......Kamehameha III had aloha for his own people.....giving everyone a heads up 
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